Concerning Creation and Age of the Earth.
The Earth is but 6000-yrs old and God the Father commissioned the Son, Jesus Christ, to take elements from the Spiritual World and fashion them into matter that is visible in the created Ream of Time and this is the basic foundation for all of creation that is visible and invisible in Time (Hebrews 11:3). This was done as a result of the attempted coup de taut by God's chief cherub angel, Lucifer, who was extricated from the Kingdom for his sin and that struggle-battle was removed from the Kingdom and placed within the constraints of Time to be dealt with here on Earth between Lucifer and Yeshua-Jesus (Luke 10:18).
If one studies, the Holy Spirit explains and articulates the age of the Earth through the generations of Mary as per the Gospel of Luke which articulates Messiah's genealogy from Jesus to Adam who was created on the 6th-Day of Creation.
C-14 dating is irrelevant as God the Son created a mature Earth and Universe and man's attempts to date via carbon dating/radiometric dating/speed of light are impotent because what man apprehends in Time was created mature as God the Son also created a mature man and woman in The Beginning.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Stop it, young earth creationists are like the senile grandfather of flat earthers.
No one respectable thinks the earth is only 6,000 years old, even most Christians.
There are just so many problems with it I wouldn't even no where to begin. Light from distant stars, the cosmic microwave background, radioactive elements, the whole of geology, astronomy and natural history.
The evidence for an earth older than 6,000 years is insurmountable. To suggest otherwise is to live in delusion and hatred of reality, something some would describe as spiritual or mental illness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Are you sure it is 6020 years old, and not 6019 or 6021 years old? When is the Earth's birthday? Maybe 6020 years and 1 month old? Or 6020 years and 5 months old? Please enlighten me, oh knowledgeable one!
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I think the only “spirit “ involved in your speculations is one that came from a bottle for to believe such one would have to be a drunk or a lunatic. Arguing with young earthers is a waste of time and is the same as arguing with flat earthers
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Hoe do you explain the extinction of the mega fauna in North America? There are cave paintings of these animals which means that early peoples hunted them, but there extinction was much longer ago than 6,000 years, closer to 11,000.
There are also ancient ruins and temples that are older than that, the oldest dating back 12,000 years. Some scholars have even suggested that we add a 1 to the beginning of our calendar, so the year would be 12,020 instead of 2020.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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"The Earth is 6000 years old" …. Those who believe that must be fans of Mark Twain, but, people who don't understand satire. Mr. Clemens said: "Don't let schooling interfere with your education." (That included Sunday Schooling ;-)
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One word should do.
Fossils.
Unless you think the great deceiver, Stan to you, Yahweh to me, is at play.
Your bible tells you to put no one above god for any attribute.
Who do you name as greatest deceiver?
Regards
DL
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We did not date the extinction of the mega fauna using carbon dating, we know when they went extinct by analysis of Sporormiella fungal spores.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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The problems associated with the type of carbon obtained from the samples for radiocarbon analysis disappear when the same source is used as a control and the sample is younger than 20,000 years. In this case, the samples meet this criteria and would be accurate.
Radiocarbon dating in the oldest samples of human artifacts (specifically charcoal and the bones of an extinct horse) suggest that humans first arrived in North America between 15,000 and 16,000 years ago.
This happens to coincide with the ice age when there was a land bridge between Russia and Alaska known as the Bering straight caused by lower sea levels.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Yet you offer no science on this issue and run away from answering religious question.
You are one useless interlocutor. We will not chat much if you maintain your level of incompetence.
Regards
DL
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There is more C14 from the analysis dating 2000 -2020 therefore the earth has not reached equilibrium.
The current amounts of C14 dictate that age of the earth is young as a researcher named Albert weishoff calculated it would take the earth 3000 years to reach equilibrium at the time of his life.
Therefore since the earth has more C14 it can not be millions of years old considering equilibrium is measured at 3000 years.
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THORIUM-URANIUM DATING IS USED FOR ANYTHING OVER 20,000 YEARS OLD NOT CARBON-14
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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You can't defend what's not real. Evolutions false.
The half-life of uranium isn't a measure for anything.
Go reference the public record of Jesus Christs Ressurection I provided with the library of Congress co tell number as you lack knowledge.
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Jesus is irrelevant to evolution...
Also plants!
If you don't believe in evolution, then you don't believe in selective breeding, because they are the SAME THING! The only difference is one is guided by human hands, the other by the ambivalent and chaotic reality of nature.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Critical assumption used in carbon-14 dating is how we arrived at the conclusion that the ratio of 14C to 12C in the atmosphere has always been the same as it is today (1 to 1 trillion). If this assumption is true, then the AMS 14C dating method is valid up to about 80,000 years. Beyond this number, the instruments scientists use would not be able to detect enough remaining 14C to be useful in age estimates.
This is a critical assumption in the dating process. If this assumption is not true, then the method will give incorrect dates. What could cause this ratio to change? If the production rate of 14C in the atmosphere is not equal to the removal rate (mostly through decay), this ratio will change. In other words, the amount of 14C being produced in the atmosphere must equal the amount being removed to be in a steady state (also called “equilibrium”). If this is not true, the ratio of 14C to 12C is not a constant, which would make knowing the starting amount of 14C in a specimen difficult or impossible to accurately determine.
Dr. Willard Libby, the founder of the carbon-14 dating method, assumed this ratio to be constant. His reasoning was based on a belief in evolution, which assumes the earth must be billions of years old. Assumptions in the scientific community are extremely important. If the starting assumption is false, all the calculations based on that assumption might be correct but still give a wrong conclusion. In Dr. Libby’s original work, he noted that the atmosphere did not appear to be in equilibrium. This was a troubling idea for Dr. Libby since he believed the world was billions of years old and enough time had passed to achieve equilibrium. Dr. Libby’s calculations showed that if the earth started with no 14C in the atmosphere, it would take up to 30,000 years to build up to a steady state (equilibrium).
Dr. Libby chose to ignore this discrepancy (nonequilibrium state), and he attributed it to experimental error. However, the discrepancy has turned out to be very real. The ratio of 14C /12C is not constant.
What does this mean? If it takes about 30,000 years to reach equilibrium and 14C is still out of equilibrium, then maybe the earth is not very old.
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
The calculations don't account for the replacement rates as compared to the decay rates.
The TL;DR is that the more you have the more will decay, and the less you have the less will decay. These two factors work together to keep the levels relatively constant, only changing based on production rates, which are dependent on changes in the earth's magnetic field.
Even if we forget about carbon-14, we would still have to contend with other radioisotopes, and heavy long lived elements in particular such as thorium and uranium.
If the earth was only a few thousand years old, we would expect to find trans-uranic elements in abundance. The lack of plutonium in the earth's crust is strong evidence of an old earth.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Likewise, if the Earth were truly millions, billions or trillions of years old then we would expect to find that Diamonds contain no radioactive 14C. According to well established Geological facts in science, Diamonds are created between 100 and 200km below the Earth's surface and require immense amounts of pressure to be created. Diamonds formed 1-3 billion years ago. But there's an issue there.
Geophysicist Dr John Baumgardner, part of the RATE research group,6 investigated 14C in a number of diamonds.7 There should be no 14C at all if they really were over a billion years old, yet the radiocarbon lab reported that there was over 10 times the detection limit. Thus they had a radiocarbon ‘age’ far less than a million years! Dr Baumgardner repeated this with six more alluvial diamonds from Namibia, and these had even more radiocarbon.
The presence of radiocarbon in these diamonds where there should be none is thus sparkling evidence for a ‘young’ world, as the Bible records.
I'm in favor of supporting Carbon dating as a proven scientific method, it just so happens that by using it you end up contradicting the idea that the Earth is millions, billions or trillions of years old.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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I will give you credit for the piece as usual it's comedy gold you give a link regarding "Dr John" from Creations Ministries , it's hilarious to say the least ....John Baumgardner was working on a Ph.D. in electrical engineering when he discovered the reality of Jesus in a dramatic way through a group Bible study of the Gospel of John. After a four-year tour of duty at the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, where he was engaged in gas dynamic laser research, he joined the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ. Observing the deliberate use of evolution to assault and destroy the faith of Christian college students, Dr Baumgardner began to develop and present classroom lectures and evening forums to expose evolution’s false claims.
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The amount of 14C discovered in diamonds cannot be accounted for. Ten times the detection limit surpasses nitrogen as an explanation.
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
"Oh, you don't like my sarcasm? Well I don't much appreciate your stup!d".
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So the way that carbon-14 is created in the earth's atmosphere is when radiation, typically in the form of high energy cosmic rays and fast neutron radiation interacts with nitrogen-14 in a replacement reaction where a proton is ejected from the nucleus. This causes the atom to decay into carbon-14. Carbon-14 decays naturally over time, nut is continuously replaced in the atmosphere. Because plants and animals can not distinguish between carbon isotopes, they enter the organism at constant rates that will roughly equal the abundance in the atmosphere, and when the organism dies no more carbon is introduced and we can use that time to determine the difference.
Diamonds did not form from organic materials, nor did they form from atmospheric CO2. Thus the expectation that they should have formed with carbon 14 at replacement levels in the earths atmosphere is just wrong.
So now diamonds. Nitrogen is the primary impurity in natural diamonds, about 0.1% which is huge. This means that any irradiation will have a possibility to transmute the nitrogen into carbon 14 which could explain the anomalous reading, especially if they are near a neutron source. Now the amount that we are talking about here is very small, close to the instrument error. This is so small that carbon dating can not be used to date diamonds accurately. In addition diamonds are often found near uranium veins- which occasionally spontaneously go through neutron decay, potentially solving the neutron source problem.
https://www.gia.edu/gia-news-research-tiny-inclusions-reveal-diamond-age
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Carbon dating has a max range of only about 50,000 years anyways.
If the earth is only a few thousand years old, there should be tons of plutonium-244 in nature, with a half-life of 82 million years but there is none suggesting it all decayed away. This is consistent with an old earth.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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>>>Carbon dating has a max range of only about 50,000 years anyways.<<<
https://assets.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/libby-lecture.pdf
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We know when the Bering strait would have been exposed from ice core samples and geology.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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If you have no evidence then we could claim that aliens came down and built a wall only to remove it after humans had come to north America.
Your theory has numerous holes anyways that would cause the opposite effect anyways, like the fact that H2O (water) is a greenhouse gas and would warm the planet.
the radioisotopes used for dating fossils would not have been changed due to water exposure if they were already buried.
The global flood could not have occurred as it is written in the bible. The text itself is just a shameless ripoff of the epic of Gilgamesh. There is simply not enough water on earth to cover the entire planet without some serious changes in the terrain, which we would see in the geological record. The most prominent theory is that the middle east was subject to hurricanes and a seasonal monsoon which inspired the flood story, which was latter sensationalized.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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***** Someone told me that 90% of the dating applications say under 6000 years
Why would you take that someone’s word for it ? Have you done independent research on the matter?
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I said it before you’re a pretty smart guy but one thing I cannot comprehend is that you will go down the very same paths regards Evolution and other matters of science with H and others after having the very same conversations with me and others .
What I wonder is this do you think that there is a big conspiracy theory amongst scientists and people of learning to deceive and deflect people away from the truth? If this is the case for what purpose?
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>>>Your theory has numerous holes anyways that would cause the opposite effect anyways, like the fact that H2O (water) is a greenhouse gas and would warm the planet.<<<
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What? If there is evidence of aliens having been on earth that is big news and I would have heard it by now. I think you or someone else just made this up.
No, the weather would be more extreme if there were more water vapor in the atmosphere because it would be hotter thus move faster. I can get more specific but the long of the short is that UV light can go through water, infrared can not. It's the same with a lot of materials like CO2 and glass. Visible light and UV goes through easily, but infrared thermal radiation can not, which is why you can't see through windows with a thermal camera.
Ok, there are a LOT of problems with this:
- by "Sea caps" I assume you mean the ice trapped at the poles and on cold mountain tops. It is true that there is a lot of water trapped here, however it is insufficient to cover the earth, as the map shows you. Not to mention the amount of water you need to cover the planet increases the higher you go, because there is less land mass to displace. (same as filling the bottom of a cone takes less water than the wide top)
- Where did this water come from, and where did it go?
- Under your "watery canopy" theory, the weight would already be there in the atmosphere, because air has weight and adding water vapor to the air adds weigh. Thus atmospheric pressure would be higher, and we would see this in ice core samples.
- It mountains can form that fast, (they can't) we would see all kinds of crazy tectonic activity today that would essentially make the planet uninhabitable. Not to mention the fact that the exposure of fresh volcanic rocks absorbs lots of CO2, and this would cause further dramatic changes in earth's atmosphere.
- We have already covered how even this water is insufficient to cover the globe.
I'm certainly not arguing that they are talking about different events, and there would have been major flooding inside human lifetimes due to the last ice age ending. This is a real event which is supported by hard science, but it doesn't come close to the global flood described in the bible. There is however another possibility that is often dropped, and it has to do with translation. The Hebrew word "eretz" can mean land, country, and earth. It is possible the bible was mistranslated to make a more radical claim than intended.You are cherry picking mistakes here. If the science was completely inaccurate, they would never have found the issues. This only applies to a very small number of artifacts that were dated incorrectly.
No one has ever been convicted on fingerprints alone. Likewise, other methods are used to justify the times given by radiocarbon dating, such as U-series (uranium dating), Electron spin resonance (ESR), and amino acid racemization (AAR)
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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This has even more problems now then before. First off, plant's can not photosynthesize without UV light, which is why there are scarce plants in the deep oceans. Also since water reflects things based on their wavelength, less powerful light would not be able to penetrate, meaning the planet would be very dark. What do you mean by "canopy" if it isn't in the air? You talk about clouds, which are made of water vapor in the air. Where is it exactly? Is it in space? If that is the case then it would evaporate immediately and disperse, unless it was heavy enough to collapse into a sphere. This has all sorts of other problems.
The science of sea level is ridiculously complicated, with some 3,000 factors that effect it. For example, the rise in sea level at New York City is much more the average rise global. There are dozens of factors I can't even claim to begin to understand, everything from subterranean features, ocean currents, sea temperatures, the moon's orbit, just so much stuff to consider. Another major prediction is that sea levels around Greenland would actually go down, because the soil would expand like a spring without so much ice weighing it down. Anyways, all of this doesn't solve the problem anyways because it still isn't enough water to make a global flood occur. The epic of Gilgamesh and derivative works had to have been a local legend, not a global flood.
I have already answered this, your links don't answer the question. You would see higher atmospheric pressures and greater water vapor in the air. The water ice would still be there even with your water canopy theory.
We have no eye witness testimony from before man started writing things down. On top of this, hard evidence is always better than witness testimony.
I already answered this. The weight would already be there in the form of increased air pressure. This wouldn't effect tectonic activity, the way you think it would, this is all just wild speculation.
Then how did it get to be not uniform in such a short period of time? The Appalation mountains are almost half a billion years old, they need that kind of time to form by folding over, you can see the folds when you drive along cuts in the hills on the highway. You are trying to tell me this is all fake news. I'm sorry but you are just wrong, this never happened. The global flood story is a myth.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Appalachian-Mountains/Geology
Sometimes we see hurricanes like this that effect Africa and the middle east, and there are theories that they would have been more prevalent in the past, but they don't effect all of Asia, Europe and Africa, just the Africa and middle east primarily. However for a ancient story this would have been a trivial issue, since you can only see about 12 NM when at sea anyways due to the curvature of the earth, so to stay that far from land for a month is easy.
If there was any indication of a water canopy we would see it in ice cores.
Every single one of them argues for an old earth and an evolved human race. Eyewitness testimony would not have been available until after the written word was developed, thus it is unreliable for natural history. Eye witness testimony is still considered the least reliable form of evidence, even today.
https://www.ncsc.org/microsites/trends/home/Monthly-Trends-Articles/2017/The-Trouble-with-Eyewitness-Identification-Testimony-in-Criminal-Cases.aspx
Besides this, the stories in the bible were not recorded until decades or even centuries after the events, so they were not eyewitness testimony anyways. I have picked a Christian source so you will know it is unbiased.
http://bibleresources.americanbible.org/resource/how-the-bible-came-to-us
Ever played the telephone game? That is how accurate the bible is at the least but over very long periods of time. Who knows what was lost or added to these fables, nowadays it is hard to say for sure just how much if any of it is true, like so many other ancient myths. It is just so much more likely that the earth is old, humans evolved, and our stories were mostly made up, and this is what all the evidence supports.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Scientists misdated 10-year-old rock at 2.8 million years old.
Although it is realistic to believe that a flood only affected a small area. It doesn't explain why a majority of cultures have similarities in a flood story. Even to conclude there are all separate stories, for them to all reference a vessel with only a few survivors is too coincidental.
>>>Every single one of them argues for an old earth and an evolved human race. Eyewitness testimony would not have been available until after the written word was developed, thus it is unreliable for natural history. Eye witness testimony is still considered the least reliable form of evidence, even today.
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I think you still misunderstand what he is saying. He doesn't mean that things need intelligence to happen, he is saying that intelligence can do what happens randomly or naturally.
If the water vapor is nearing space it will condense into clouds in the upper stratosphere. If this "water canopy" theory is to have any credibility (it's pseudo-science garbage) you have to explain how exactly that water existed there without blocking light, because remember, in order for it to be enough to cover the earth it has to be several times the amount of water on earth today, stay there for billions of years, only to all of a sudden come raining down for no reason in the near past and then disappear. This is just straight magical thinking.
That picture you submit is a mockery of physics-
Here is the graph of light absorption by water. As you can see, violet and UV light has the lowest absorption rate. What this means, is that in order for UV light to penetrate water, it will block more light in the visible spectrum, and lower frequency light (Radio waves, Infrared, microwaves) will not penetrate as easily and will be largely attenuated. Thus the world would be dark (surprise! water canopy = more clouds)
Did you miss where I said that sea levels would have risen dramatically after the last ice age?
No, these stories do not give credibility to the bible, because first:
- Some of the stories pre-dated the bible
- The stories differ dramatically from what is in the bible
- The bible's claim about the event are scientifically impossible
It is so obvious that the bible stole from these stories and not the other way around. The Epic of Gilgamesh was around centuries before the book of Genesis was written.Braille Mother F***er!
Information can not be destroyed. It is a fundamental law in physics. Don't bother bringing up black holes because the data is inconclusive and there are none on earth.
Actually, you can tell if any or all of these things happened with enough computing power. Everything that happens can be broken down to a set of deterministic equations. If we know the state of something at any given time, then we can figure out what it was like in the past.
People lie. People forget. People invent. People modify. People die.
The results are what happened.
Physical evidence = hard evidence. Witness testimony can be interpreted incorrectly physical evidence can not be misinterpreted because there IS NO INTERPRETATION, IT DOES NOT RELY ON INTERPRETING, IT IS A PART OF REALITY.
Not "could be" WOULD BE.
Sea levels =/= air pressure
You are cherry picking failures and claiming that is everything.
Rising sea levels after the last ice age lead to widespread flooding with many coastal towns and villages being flooded. This did happen, but it wasn't the bible story.
If there was lots more water in the earth's atmosphere, some of it would precipitate as snow to form ice core samples. We WOULD see it, 100% there is no avoiding that.
You are conflating legal evidence with natural evidence. The evidence in a courtroom needs an explanation because a crime was committed. Specifically, there needs to be something linking say, a murder weapon to the murderer. However, with natural events there was no human agency making them happen, they just do because of physics. So in this sense, just understanding physics is sufficient without "witness testimony"
Congratulations, you have just admitted it is all . If it couldn't have been all transmitted by memory, then we should assume it is inaccurate for the same reason the "telephone game" that you most likely played as a child yields interesting results. The bible, and the book of Genesis in particular, is a mythical story. It is not supposed to be taken as literal truth, maybe metaphorical if you are in to that. The evidence just doesn't support it.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Did you miss where I said that sea levels would have risen dramatically after the last ice age?
No, these stories do not give credibility to the bible, because first:
>>>Braille Mother F***er!<<<
>>>Information can not be destroyed. It is a fundamental law in physics. Don't bother bringing up black holes because the data is inconclusive and there are none on earth.<<<
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Yes, this is the point he is making, but you have changed your point now. Before you said it that: "What he is alluding to is there are some conclusions you cannot come to without the presence of intelligence."
You don't make a point here. Just saying what is scientifically true does not a point make. None of these things prove a "water canopy" The point I made before, which is that the world would be darker if it was surrounded by more water vapor in the atmosphere is based on these principles. More water = lower intensity of light because more is absorbed, refracted, and reflected.
You are reading the graph wrong, high energy photons will still reach the ground, there will just be less of them. Also, there is still attenuation of light in the visible spectrum. This means that if there is more water, there will be more attenuation, and the world will be darker than it currently is. Keep in mind this is talking about water vapor and not water particulate (clouds) which reflect light. That is why it is darker when it is overcast, even though the amount of water in the air is the same.
Then why are scholars still talking about it today?
https://bibleinterp.arizona.edu/articles/influence-gilgamesh-bible
https://www.icr.org/article/noah-flood-gilgamesh/
https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/misc_gilgamesh.pdf
The fact remains that the epic of Gilgamesh pre-dates the book of Genesis. How do you explain this, if not to say that the bible was influenced by these great works?
The devil is in the details.
In all of the ways. Where did the water come from? Where did it go? Where is the evidence?
The entire book of Genesis is scientifically absurd.
It doesn't matter if the Epic of Gilgamesh is scientifically accurate, that's not the point. The point it the bible stole the work.
WRONG! There are not "black holes everywhere," and no, information can not be destroyed- consider if you burn a book the information is carried away as smoke and ash. With enough time and energy the information is completely recoverable (just not feasible)
45 = 45
If we had access to perfect information, then this would be the case. The problem is the court's don't know everything.
Perfectly natural tectonic activity.
The earth would not be a uniform temperature, because some areas receive less light (the poles) or have higher pressures. Also summer/winter cycle as you mentioned.
This may happen in the future. When/if it does, then we will finally be able to prove that all religions are inventions of man.
Just because someone wrote something in a book doesn't make it true. In fact, it has no bearing on the reality of the claim. I can easily write something that is false. Suppose if in 3,000 years from now, a future civilization found our comic books, the only thing surviving of our culture. Would they assume these things actually happened, if since then the works had developed into a new religion?
This is more or less what probably happened with the bible stories. They were never supposed to be literal truth, they were always metaphorical.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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https://bibleinterp.arizona.edu/articles/influence-gilgamesh-bible
https://www.icr.org/article/noah-flood-gilgamesh/
https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/misc_gilgamesh.pdf
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UV light penetrates further than visible light in water vapor, this does nothing to the fact that there would be less light on earth the same way that there is less light when you go underwater. It also doesn't explain temperature stabilization, because Infrared would still be trapped due to the fact that it can not be rejected into space as easily, meaning the world would be hotter.
Scientifically speaking, I don't think the planet would be hospitable to life as we know it before, and if there was such a dramatic change like this so quickly, it likely wouldn't be capable of survival afterwords.
Darker =/= can't see. I'm not arguing you can't see, I'm saying that it would be darker, meaning plants would be a different color.
You still are not making a point here.
I don't understand how this argues against the base claim in any way. The point is that the bible story was stolen from the epic of Gilgamesh.
1 isn't a problem because they came from the same place.
2 isn't a problem because translators exist and had to in order for the rosette stone to exist in the first place. People still spoke Akkadian when Genesis was compiled.
3 There are lots of similarities between the stories to indicate that it was ripped off.
These kinds of black holes are still millions of light years away and do not effect information on earth, my point still stands.
I think I made my point. The left side of the equation still equals 45.
Neither can I, so that you can finally put away your childish beliefs, and religion can be put down like the feral dog that it is.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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